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Topic: Bayraider centreboard pivot pin (Read 3467 times)
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Peter Cockerton
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Claus
Matt needs to comment on this as we can go no further, i have attached one of the pictures i took and sent to Matt, this shows black Silkaflex on the pin on the centreboard band and none on the outer bands. It also shows the wear into the hull from the dislodged pin.
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GRP Bayraider \"Joybells\"
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Craic
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Peter and all, the above photo and description has solved the riddle how your pivot pin got dislodged and the gelcoat chipped:
The centreboard has lateral play, the pivoting pin has none. Through wrongly fastening the pivoting pin to the centreboard, the centreboard took the pin laterally out with it, until one side of the pin left its seat from under the keelband, and jammed there, while the other side of the pin cocked up and chipped the plastic.
So this was caused by that assembly error at the yard to let the pin rotate in the keel seat instead of in its centreboard seat. Your proposal to secure the pin to the centreboard with a sunken hex would have done the exact same BTW. C.
P.S. And there is one other not-so-nice detail to be seen on your photo: They still first carve out a recessed seat area for an outside-hull flange selfbailer, and then mount an inside-hull flange bailer there instead. Silly.
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Thanks for all your feedback. The pin on Peters boat has not been deliberately glued to the centreboard. The sikaflex is there as a result of over enthusiastic application when bedding the screws home on the board itself. Claus is correct that the pin should be stationary in the boat, ie not rotating, and the board should swivel on this. Fitting a pair of M5 bolts each side of the keelband is a great idea and we will be sorting this out on all future boats, as well as recomending to owners.
Peter, you sound unhappy about the fix that I have sent you - I will email you today to discuss other possibilities for your particular boat.
On another note Claus, the recess for the bailers was originally in place to enable the moulders to see easily where the bailers have to fit. It was a difficult problem to eliminate, but we sorted it some time ago. All boats since have flush finishes for their bailers. Peters boat is a 2009 ex demo model.
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Peter Cockerton
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Through the knowledge of members and discussion on this very usefull forum as Claus has stated the riddle has now unfolded. When i originally discussed this matter with Matt he asked if i could see the black Silkaflex under the band and i replied yes. My assumption was the pin was fixed to the centreboard and the centreboard strip and it was supposed to swivel under the keelband strips. I have checked this morning and the pins will quite freely move in and out of the keelband strips within the constraints of the slot width of the centreboard. When i knocked the pin back into position i did need to tap quite hard so the centreboard friction on the pin must be considerable as no friction is being applied from the keelband strips so is unlikely to swivel there if i fix the pins under the keelband strips without investigation. So if the centreboard pin is not Silkafexed to the centreboard strip and centreboard the friction must be coming from band against pin against centreboard. Matt has written to me and has taken full ownership of the problem and between us we will i\\\'m sure correct this one way or another. The good news is this is unlikely to be a wider issue for other boats so no immediate concerns and that a small engineering change by way of the bolt fixing against screws on the 4 keelband positions will futher guard against pin lateral movement. To summarise, yes i had a problem, Swallow Boats listened and promised to help, due to practical distance problems the boat was not taken to the yard for inspection so relied on discussion and pictures to identify the issue, my assumption on the mechanics was incorrect and the forum discussion brought this to the surface. Additional thought to the pin fixing has resulted in an improved arrangement to be incorporated in new boats. Thanks to Swallow Boats and forum members for all your help. 
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