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Topic: Check your shroud shackles.... (Read 1980 times)
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Graham W
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....otherwise your mainmast could end up over the side like this! The tabernacle pulled out of the coach roof as the mast went over (as it is supposed to do) but got somewhat bent in the process. All shroud shackles should be moused so that they cannot work loose. When I inspected mine after recovering the mast, I was amazed to see that the bottom shackle on the opposite side was also very loose, so it could have gone either way. The boat is now back at Swallow Boats awaiting repairs.
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GRP BR20 #59 Turaco III
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Julian Swindell
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I\\\'ve seen this happen on another boat within 24 hours of being launched. I mouse my shackles with a little cable tie going through the hole in the pin. Do the same with the shackles up at the top of the shrouds as well, because you can\\\'t check them when it is up. (Who ever thought that a good word to describe wiring up a shackle would be mouse?)
I had to talk someone out of bolting a tabernacle to a cabin top with huge through-the-roof bolts, so it could \\\"hold the mast up if the shrouds fail\\\". You really want quite weak bolts/screws so they pull out and cause as little damage as possible, not rip the roof off.
Hope you are soon fixed and back on the water.
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Craic
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I am more confused than usual: Didn\\\'t we just recently discuss a case here where a mast had fallen due to the lanyards being \\\'only\\\' made of Polypropylene instead of Dyneema? And now one other case of a fallen mast where the lanyards shackles were not properly tightened? Or is this the same case, so it finally turns out the Polyprop did not play any role at all? What are we talking about?
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Graham W
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This was a case of the bottom shackle pin(s) coming loose - the shrouds themselves were fine.
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GRP BR20 #59 Turaco III
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Craic
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Graham, as also the other case was attributed to a 2010 built BR, my gut feeling tells me it is the same and single case. Maybe Guy can explain.
We hardly ever mouse, much quicker to turn the pin well tight with a shackle key or pliers, never had any loosening then. Convenient for mousing otherwise are the smallest size plastic ratchet cable ties.
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Michael Rogers
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Julian
At risk of being labelled a pedant (as well as being that junk rig nutter), I think, strictly speaking, that you don\\\'t mouse a shackle pin (I\\\'m not sure what you do to it - \\\'wire it\\\' sounds OK if a bit \\\'modern\\\'). You mouse a rigging hook (which I guess is an obsolete bit of tackle anyway), closing the hook off so that nothing can slip out of it. Strictly speaking, nothing to do with ensuring something doesn\\\'t work loose. Unless nautical usage has changed, which it might have.
More pedantry - I believe \\\'to mouse\\\' (as a verb) was pronounced \\\'mouze\\\' by genuine jack tars. I\\\'m looking into it. On the principle that a treenail should always be a trunnel, for auld lang syne. Anyone interested? - no? - not to worry!
Some years ago, the mast of my Heron dinghy went over the side, with damage to the mast step, when a shackle pin, which I ALWAYS checked to be finger tight before sailing, worked loose. Claus is probably right - pliers or shackle key: but even then I would want to check quite frequently. Most of the shackles I have to do with, don\\\'t have a hole in the pin-head anyway, so how would you wire (or whatever) those? That, incidentally, is why I\\\'ve gone for unstayed rigs - only joking, but it is one less thing to be checking.
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Graham W
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Claus,
My incident happened yesterday (to my boat), so if there have been problems before, this is another one, and from what it sounds like, for a different reason.
I\\\'m wondering if there is any point in having shackles on the bottom of the shrouds, if all they do is act as an eye to secure the strop for the shrouds to the deck. Obviously the chain plates are no good as eyes because of their small size and rough edges, but wouldn\\\'t some sort of permanently secured eye bolt be better at that end? Of course, this still leaves the problem of potentially loose shackles elsewhere, including the top of the shrouds.
Luckily, I was upwind when it happened and once I had retrieved the mast and sails from the water, used the mizzen (at 3 knots!) to sail back to the pontoon.
Graham
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Julian Swindell
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I lash my shrouds to a shackle in the chain plates with a lanyard to make it easier to rig and de-rig the mast. Once everything is set up properly, if I have to take the mast off, I just have to undo the shackles. Putting the mast back on, just redo the shackles and the lanyards are still the correct length. If you have to undo the lanyards, then it takes a while to get shroud tension etc. right again. Regarding lanyard wear. I check mine everytime I go sailing, and they don\\\'t seem to be wearing at all. I wouldn\\\'t really expect them to because any movement is between the shackle and the chain plate. There is very little movement between lanyard and shackle. I replaced the bottle screw on the forestay with a similar lanyard halfway through last season because the screw kept working loose. The lanyard doesn\\\'t.
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Craic
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Claus,
My incident happened yesterday (to my boat), so if there have been problems before, this is another one, and from what it sounds like, for a different reason. ... Obviously the chain plates are no good as eyes because of their small size and rough edges, but wouldn\\\'t some sort of permanently secured eye bolt be better at that end? ... So really two masts have fallen on 2010 BRs within a few weeks of each other, that\\\'s a bit much. Different causes and both cases avoidable I would say, but certainly an eye-opener to check ones own precautions. Thanks for the alert. Graham, if you tighten a shackle hard to the chainplate -using shackle key or pliers-, that is as good as a permanent eye then. To make that extra permanent, use a drop of the permanent Loc-Tite on the thread.
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